And Pre-Retcon Beyonder wasn't "TOAA" before TOAA. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Toaa 2. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. No. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Marvel vs DC. 1. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. Premium Powerups . Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. M. show 6 replies. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. and to become. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. 3. ago. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. it would be mostly stalemate. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Bait? 1 year ago. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. It is as Cosmic Reign says. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. He stomps all round. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. 193 4. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. Jun 12, 2019 #2. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. In general as the Supreme Beings. It was said that she is the spark of creation. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Jack Kline can’t do shit. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. 56 results. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Even if it logically and rationally. 0. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. he is omnipresent. . He wins. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Glory stomps. bluepride1234. 1 Answer. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. Jan 1, 2019. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. What they say. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. 2. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. 1 year ago. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. The Two fight in the beyond realm. 0. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 8 years ago. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. They can literally do whatever they want. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. SCP 3812. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. 8 C. OP doesn't specify where the vs is taking place. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. PR Beyonder Stomps. 3. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Follow 77. So I might be missing something. . Rorschach vs Dr. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. CsmicRanker1314 1. I dunno. 493. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. Which seems appropriate. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. Yes. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. bunker_man • 2 mo. @TheLegendary32 said:. s. Loki God Of Stories 17. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. 0. The One Above All has no equal. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. Prepare for. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Juntai. Retconed Beyonder. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. 14 years ago. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). Having incubated. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. 93. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Juntai. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Battles. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. R5, same idea as R4. 9. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Minstry_of_pain. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. TOAA is above all. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. 3 years ago. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. s. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Max Deen. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. #7. Forum Posts. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA is a god for gods. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. s. The. Not even beyonder is that powerful. . Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. Reply. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Now House Of Ideas 13. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. . So there are two possibilities here. Follow 4160. Forum Posts. 9 years ago. Minor nitpick. ago. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. 567. There are two camps or the Presence vs TOAA fight. [deleted] • 8 yr. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. beyonder Yep, lol. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. Azathoth solos. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. Claymore1998. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. Beyonder trivially. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. As. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Yes. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. Forum Posts. . 7. This could also be used as. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Jul 30, 2018. You. I. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. Wiki Points. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. #. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. 3080. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. 4. . The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Not once. TOAA isn't omnipotent. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. 47. #1 KingOfAsh. Hajun, if not Beyonder. 5 years ago. NULL_Terrorist. . He's above Dr. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. 7 K. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. to win. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. Beyonder vs The Celestials. One below all vs the beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. 0. Homelander has Outerversal AP. Beyonder stomps. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Created by Loony_Toony. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. #28 ovy7. TOAA have failed. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Phoenixblue. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. 0. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Searching. TOAA have failed. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. 3 years ago. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. 13 / 10. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. 7 years ago. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. ago. Oldfather 18. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Since 2013, Stan Lee has said that it is the writer who writes the scripts and will decide which character to win. ago. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. Then things get more murky. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. 2. The One Above All is literally God. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. 5 years ago. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. He is True Omnipotent inside. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. Manhattan. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. ago. No prep for either. 11 years ago. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. I really can't be asked to go. Manhattan's league. 3. 5 T. Khael. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section.